tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972497915033440413.post4919485426623417363..comments2024-03-20T18:15:41.858+00:00Comments on Looting Matters: Cyprus and Coins: a metal-detectorist speaks outDavid Gillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13164794689385933318noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972497915033440413.post-3542651888621690192008-01-29T00:53:00.000+00:002008-01-29T00:53:00.000+00:00David-With respect to whether Cyprus could afford ...David-<BR/><BR/>With respect to whether Cyprus could afford putting in place its own version of the Treasure Act and PAS, I note that according to the Economist "Pocket World in Figures," 2007 Edition, Cyprus ranks No. 35 in the world in GDP per head ahead of Greece (37) but behind the UK (13) and Italy (24). <BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/><BR/>Peter TompaPeter Tompahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08012526479237900514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972497915033440413.post-4923344974447880302008-01-28T19:16:00.000+00:002008-01-28T19:16:00.000+00:00Peter asked if PAS would be suitable for Cyprus. S...Peter asked if PAS would be suitable for Cyprus. See <A HREF="http://illicit-cultural-property.blogspot.com/2008/01/pas.html" REL="nofollow">http://illicit-cultural-property.blogspot.com/2008/01/pas.html</A>.David Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13164794689385933318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972497915033440413.post-77800728756668585992008-01-28T18:46:00.000+00:002008-01-28T18:46:00.000+00:00PeterIt struck me that "Achilleas" (identity unkno...Peter<BR/>It struck me that "Achilleas" (identity unknown) was repeating some familiar points, see for example the discussion in <A HREF="http://lootingmatters.blogspot.com/2007/09/portable-antiquities-scheme.html" REL="nofollow">http://lootingmatters.blogspot.com/2007/09/portable-antiquities-scheme.html</A>.<BR/><BR/>For collectors talking about agricultural chemicals see, e.g. <BR/><A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Unidroit-L/message/2557" REL="nofollow">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Unidroit-L/message/2557</A>.<BR/><BR/>Best wishes<BR/>DavidDavid Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13164794689385933318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972497915033440413.post-34034420874669651252008-01-28T17:57:00.000+00:002008-01-28T17:57:00.000+00:00David-I'm not sure why you think the Cyprus Mail i...David-<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure why you think the Cyprus Mail is complicit in a "propaganda war" against the controversial decision to impose import restrictions on coins of Cypriot types. If the Cyprus Mail was as complicit as you suggest, presumably the Cyprus Mail would have already published IAPN’s letter to the editor about the issue: http://accg.us/issues/news/iapn-comments-on-foia-law-suit, but it has not to my knowledge. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps a more reasonable suggestion is that there are people in Cyprus who honestly believe the preservation and appreciation of the remains of Cyprus’ culture would be better served by adopting system akin to the PAS and Treasure Trove law rather than the “all antiquities belong to the state, and that is that” approach championed by Cyprus’ chief cultural bureaucrat, Dr. Pavlos Flourentzos. The call for a fair system is not just shared by law breakers like that described in the article, but has also been supported by members of such organizations the Cyprus Numismatic Society in the past. <BR/><BR/>That Director Florentzos presides over a system that the President of the Association of Cypriot Archaeologists has characterized as a “mess” should give pause to those who think that Flrorentzos’ model works well in practice: http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=23075&archive=1<BR/><BR/>Finally, it is unclear to me why you think PAS is a good idea in England, but not a good idea in Cyprus. Certainly, Cyprus is a relatively wealthy EU member which could find the funding to put in place such a relatively cheap program such as PAS if there were a will to do so. <BR/><BR/>For more about the PAS and the Treasure Act see http://accg.us/issues/news/bland?searchterm=Bland<BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/><BR/>Peter TompaPeter Tompahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08012526479237900514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972497915033440413.post-76363419754455132482008-01-28T16:09:00.000+00:002008-01-28T16:09:00.000+00:00David,Thank you for bringing this story to the att...David,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for bringing this story to the attention of your readers; it indeed provides some firsthand insight into the illicit removal of ancient artifacts in Cyprus and their movement out of the country. In light of activities such as this and the sale of Cyprus' archaeological heritage to the highest bidder (usually in foreign countries), one can understand why the Cypriot government sought renewal and expansion of its bilateral agreement with the United States. In another article in the Cyprus Mail by Leo Leonidou, <A HREF="http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=37224&cat_id=9" REL="nofollow">"All Antiquities Belong to the State, and that's that," </A>Dr. Pavlos Flourentzos (Director of Cyprus' Antiquities Department) responds to the story.Nathan Elkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13060145336179440359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972497915033440413.post-84692480071063177792008-01-28T15:06:00.000+00:002008-01-28T15:06:00.000+00:00BazIt is not clear what you mean by "disturb".By "...Baz<BR/>It is not clear what you mean by "disturb".<BR/><BR/>By "nighthawks" who open tombs to sell the contents?<BR/>By metal-detectorists who disturb stratigraphy?<BR/>By archaeologists who record the finds and their inter-relationship?David Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13164794689385933318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8972497915033440413.post-88812796133613756662008-01-28T14:48:00.000+00:002008-01-28T14:48:00.000+00:00....indeed it is propaganda.There is no reason to .......indeed it is propaganda.<BR/><BR/>There is no reason to disturb these rare sites for the most part. What little we know as scientists will surely improve as years go by. Sites with ancient artifacts that are undisturbed will become even more important. Their desecration is a sign of our own ignorance, pitiful excuses such as this prove that plunder is the raison d'etre of such individuals.<BR/><BR/>thank-you for your article, they are always interesting and informative.repulsewarriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07365500974120706336noreply@blogger.com